9XR Pro is Here

[MikeB]

As I understand it, the KEY signal needs to be held HIGH to keep the '05 in AT command mode. Taking it, and keeping it, low switches to communication mode.

Mike.

[jhsa]

Having to manually press a button at the right moment everything you want to change a BT setting wouldn't really be very convenient and clean...

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Why not? As far as I understand we just need to do it at power up or after power up? Depending on what we want to do? So, some kind of slider switch would do the job? No need to solder to the tx PCB, and perhaps not even to the module as the "key" line has already a pin on it.. we would just need to tap the +V from the wire that comes from the radio to the module. Some breakout boards already have a switch on them. I have one of those also...
And I find it clean enough, and easy for the user, better than having to solder a FET transistor or removing a tiny smd resistor, don't you think? Ah and might save Mike some work too.

[MikeB]

I've just re-read some data on the '05 an I think I'm wrong about needing the FET. It looks like we might be able to use the ERASE signal directly, no resistors.
In the same way, the other signal (shutdown to the audio amp) could be used. All that would mean is the audio output would be off while the BT module is configured!

Time will tell!

Mike.

[jhsa]

that wouldn't be a problem I guess..

[SkyNorth]

The ERASE signal is available at the SD-CARD pcb connection , left most, bottom corner solder connection on 14 pin header. (pin14)
It would be easy to tack a wire on here.

The audio disable may still be needed for EZUHF users....we will know soon enough?

[ShowMaster]

I have a RN-42 from the early skyboard upgrade. It works but I don't own an android device. It will connect to my netbook. That's as far as I went. I also bought a RN-43 module but it's still in the box.
I looked up some info on the RN-42 vs the 05 device and could use some features translation for this application.
http://westcoastmakers.com/threads/blue ... rison.153/



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[mnementh]

As I understand it, the KEY signal needs to be held HIGH to keep the '05 in AT command mode. Taking it, and keeping it, low switches to communication mode.

Mike.

Mike -

That was why I was thinking about the HC-06-M. The HC-06-S modules which I've used all come up in AT/Command Console mode when they first power up, and remain that way until they link with another BT device. If the HC-06-M (Master) does too, that could resolve the need for a KEY signal.

So why do we need to have Master mode? To use BT for Trainer mode connection? For Telemetry out we only need 1 channel to send Telemetry data over the BT module... the apps we want to use with it all set their own alarms in the software. but for Trainer Mode we'll need one TX to be able to be Master. Okay; I understand. Now all we need is BT Audio and we'll be set.

Hmmmm...


mnem
*cogitatin' *

[jhsa]

yes, that is one of the goals.. have 2 TXs talking together.. wireless trainer via BT.. that would be a first I think?
so we need a module that can be set as master and as slave..
Yeah, we did think about audio.. did you find a module that can do data transfer as master and slave and still manage audio? I didn't I've been looking though.. And if we find it, it will be expensive for sure..

João

[MikeB]

I may start testing using the MUTE signal, simply because it is a bit easier to connect to and program. I'll probably put in a configuration option to allow selection of one of these two signals.

I hope to progress this in the next few days.

Mike.

[jhsa]

Thank you Mike. This will be a killer feature..
Idea:
Set and send the BT module's name? send password? we must insert the right password depending on the module? the ones I have they all seem to have the same "1234" password
Select master of slave..
Select baudrate. we already have that one..
Bluetooth should have a dedicated menu? we still have space for it in the settings screen

João

[MikeB]

We may need some Bluetooth settings that are model specific.

Mike.

[jhsa]

right.. like the ones we already have. BT as trainer and frsky telemetry over BT. I guess the pairing, baudrate, BT name, etc, can stay in the general BT settings..

João

[mnementh]

yes, that is one of the goals.. have 2 TXs talking together.. wireless trainer via BT.. that would be a first I think?
so we need a module that can be set as master and as slave..
Yeah, we did think about audio.. did you find a module that can do data transfer as master and slave and still manage audio? I didn't I've been looking though.. And if we find it, it will be expensive for sure..

João

Via Bluetooth, yes. Of course Walkera and Spektrum have had wireless trainer mode for quite some time now. I would like to be able to transfer profiles to another Pro user via BT though.

Naaah... BT audio will need to be its own module; too much overhead to do both on the same processor. I'm pretty sure there are a number of standalone modules that can be deployed headless, though, once configured with a serial adapter. That would probably be a better solution.

Have we looked into the uber-cheap non-PA NRF24L01 2.4 ghz modules set to very low output for a short-range solution for the Trainer Mode? I know it MIGHT interfere... but it might NOT. Then we just use a HC-06 for connection to tablets & PCs.

Here's something I thought might be relevant...

http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Project ... E%20fakery


mnem
Food for thought.

[jhsa]

The link takes me to a page with several projects. Which one you are talking about?

I would like to avoid more than one 2.4Ghz device inside the radio.
I think walkera and spektrum have wireless trainers but not over BT? Yes, file exchange between radios (PRO and skyboard) would be very nice indeed. Maybe it's possible
Just thought about something. By using the BT as trainer we could even control very small models like micro quads and helis, toy cars, robots, etc. No need to use the main module

João
EDIT: I remember I did find a module that could do data and audio. But couldn't find any price for it and it's only available on wholesale stores..

[mnementh]

Ummm... BT IS 2.4GHz.

And yes, that's what I said... Walkera and Spektrum both have wireless Trainer mode, but NOT via BT, so that WOULD be a first.

Walkera has had it for 2 0r 3 years; they bit-bang the same CYRF6936 chip they use for RC protocol, it's a full-duplex chip. I believe they've even worked out a time-slicing subroutine so that telemetry still works. I believe Spektrum's current design is similar, but using a different RF chip.

What I thought was interesting in the article was that he was able to use the cheap, readily-available non-PA (No power amplifier) NRF24L01 module to communicate via BT 4.0 LE profile - JUST the sort of thing we want to do for Trainer mode. I was thinking that since it's all done in the software, it MIGHT be an easier solution than trying to convince the processor to grow extra pins.

The only BT modules I know of that can do both can only do one at a time; audio OR data. That and cost make it seem to me a separate BT Audio module is best; aside from the obvious issue of needing more data channels.


mnem
*Unprocessed*

[jhsa]

See here.. one of them..

http://cqjinou.en.alibaba.com/product/4 ... odule.html

[SkyNorth]

FYI
I have updated the wiring diagrams
viewtopic.php?f=122&t=5659
-Brent

[mnementh]

See here.. one of them..

http://cqjinou.en.alibaba.com/product/4 ... odule.html

That DOES look promising.

Have you seen this one? Similar assortment of profiles, plus HID-Compliant profile for BT Keyboard... and it says Dev Board available. Look next to the picture... it has a LOT of documentation, unlike most of the aliBaba crowd.

hey Mike - you feel like coding up some KB support?


mnem
Pizza Countdown... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1.... LAUNCH!

[jhsa]

That one seems that you have to specify which version you want to buy. Please scroll down and click on the tab "ordering PN"

João

[mnementh]

Hmmm...

That is a bit confusing. Looks like they only support 1 data profile per firmware version. That sucks a little. It's nice they have a HCI profile available and a SPN profile, but would be preferable to be able to select the modes. Guess you can only fit so much into that limited space... sound like another project we know & love?


mnem
*Lost in Hypnos' embrace*

[jhsa]

yeah, as I said, we have been looking but it is hard to find..
Best option at the moment seem to be the HC-05, and it is affordable.

João

[jhsa]

Voice files for using with the new test versions from 6th July on. Files now can use names instead of numbers, but we still keep the numbers as well because the transition is still not completely finished. Please notice that there are 3 folders inside the voice folder now. Named files can have a maximum of 8 characters. This is important.

"System" - It's where all the system files will go. these files CANNOT be modified.
"User" - This is where all your non system files will go. Files like "FlapsUp" or "GearUp" will go in this folder.. I have many already there.. All from my other pack.
"modelNames" - I think I don't need to explain this one Just make sure you don't exceed 8 characters on the names.. I left my model names in the folder so you can look at them as examples.. Of course, you must make your own

IMPORTANT: This pack will be always updated as the voice handling continues to be improved by Mike. So, by using this, make sure that you are aware that you might have to update the pack quite often. Not a big deal, right?

I think that is all, questions are welcome. Enjoy

viewtopic.php?f=122&t=5680#p80686

[mnementh]

Mine arrived this AM; 5 1/2 days after ordering thanks to DHL Express for only $20.

DEFINITELY the way to go for locations that DHL services.

As soon as I eat, I'll be opening her up! And OPENING her up!


mnem
Git along, little electrons!

[mnementh]

Okay... just out of curiosity. Do we have a port of OpenTX that'll run on the Pro yet? Let me rephrase that... which supports all the new goodies in the Pro? Is one in the works?


mnem
*Stack overflow reading the manuals*

[mnementh]

*Crickets...*

*Crickets...*

*Crickets...*

Okay... the lack of response here indicates I'm terribly ignorant of something here. I haven't used Open9X (The only form of OpenTX I'm actrually familiar with) since before I switched over to my 9XR as my primary TX.

Is that why there seems to be such a convergence of features between ER9x and OpenTX in this project; that it really is supposed to be a merging of both firmwares? Forgive my ignorance; I'm at least a year out of the loop on these developments. It SEEMED like things were right about where I left off, though.


mnem

[jhsa]

Opentx comes from er9x. Hence the similarity. But I think now they are going completely different ways.. I can't answer your other question as it has been a while since I've used opentx. I have been helping to test the pro and continue to help testing the firmware. And I am really enjoying the direction er9x/ersky9x is going.

[bertrand35]

Okay... just out of curiosity. Do we have a port of OpenTX that'll run on the Pro yet? Let me rephrase that... which supports all the new goodies in the Pro? Is one in the works?


mnem
*Stack overflow reading the manuals*

Yes, just select the right board in Companion and download the firmware with the language and options you like

[mnementh]

Okay... I've found the OpenTX domain and looking over their compatibility chart for the Pro I see a lot of similar features, but one big difference: OpenTX offers 60 active model memory vs 32 with ErSky9x. I'm guessing that's due to something being omitted; is it the onboard Wizards?


mnem
Hmmm...

[ShowMaster]

Is OTX 2.0 comparable with the pro?
Like Jsha I'm committed to ersky9xr on the pro but I'm sure this question will come up at the field at some point.
I know it's been ported for the m128 board but not much discussion about it on the pro to date. I'm assuming the m64 9xr is very limited? I read that Mike has pretty much used up all the m64 resources with er9x.


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[jhsa]

the old 9xr ships with a m128 since quite a while..


@mnementh, I don't know if you are going to get wizards on the pro I tell you what, try both fw and then decide. if you feel more confortable with opentx keep it.. It is easy to go back and forward anyway.
For me even 20 memories are more than enough, and I can save my models on the SD Card.. Don't know if opentx handles a single model but I remember that until recently it didn't.. Maybe it does now.. so, saving models to and from the card it's a kids play..

João